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Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jan 30 @ 9:10 AM ET
Ryan Wilson: #JagrWatch2015 Starting To Heat Up #JagrWatch2015 Starting To Heat Up
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 30 @ 9:13 AM ET
Very impressive charts.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Jan 30 @ 9:15 AM ET
#saynotojag
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 30 @ 9:17 AM ET
Not to hate on Jagr, but I just don't see how he helps this team. Another player to take up the right side half wall on the PP. NJD are a much slower team, I feel Jagr will be lost and out of the play a lot with Malkin.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jan 30 @ 9:17 AM ET
Isn't Malkin a player that wants the puck? If Jagr is going to keep possession then Malkin isn't going to be too happy - or should I be in bed?
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:21 AM ET
Ryan Wilson: #JagrWatch2015 Starting To Heat Up
#JagrWatch2015 Starting To Heat Up

- Ryan_Wilson


Just so you know, Jagr has been playing primarily with Gomez, since Gomez joined the Devils.

Out of curiosity, can you put up Gomez' chart for this year as well, that should be interesting.
znagle
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 10.02.2014

Jan 30 @ 9:22 AM ET
If Spaling can play 3c.. I would consider Sutter and our second (or prospect) for Jagr and their first. It would be interesting to see how Jags and Geno would mesh.. Either it would be a great pair, or a total disaster and I could see it either way.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jan 30 @ 9:25 AM ET
If Spaling can play 3c.. I would consider Sutter and our second (or prospect) for Jagr and their first. It would be interesting to see how Jags and Geno would mesh.. Either it would be a great pair, or a total disaster and I could see it either way.
- znagle


They won't be parting with their first in this years draft. I must admit though, it's not out of the question that Sutter leaves for a rental......because that's how bad he's playing.
Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jan 30 @ 9:25 AM ET
Just so you know, Jagr has been playing primarily with Gomez, since Gomez joined the Devils.

Out of curiosity, can you put up Gomez' chart for this year as well, that should be interesting.

- _Zippy_


The chart's sample size is 2012-13 to the present.

znagle
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 10.02.2014

Jan 30 @ 9:27 AM ET
They won't be parting with their first in this years draft. I must admit though, it's not out of the question that Sutter leaves for a rental......because that's how bad he's playing.
- madmike71


Yeah I know, but a 26 year old center and a blue chip D prospect (Dumoulin) should be able to fetch a 40+ year old rental and a first.. Only thing is with how deep this draft is we may need to add on a mid round pick
JLT168
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PGH, PA
Joined: 07.09.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:31 AM ET
Im on the fence if he can be successful here playing with geno or sid...my mind isnt certain but my heart says to go for it...

I think we are all weary of bad trades, we remember all the trades that didnt go our way. murray, iginla, morrow etc...jr has done well though aquiring perron and hornquist, not sold on the lappy goc trade yet but time will tell

NJ games can be so boring...
usethe1-2-2
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 03.02.2014

Jan 30 @ 9:37 AM ET
I have already made my case for trades, but I think this one would be top notch. The problem is finding the room. I'm not sure Sutter would fetch Jagr + but I would offer that.

I still think you have to get Winnik.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 30 @ 9:39 AM ET
I think most teams have contacted the Devils about Jagr, but that doesn't mean there have been serious talks. Hell, I'm sure the Flyers have called about him, but aren't willing to deal any quality assets for him.
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:40 AM ET
High end D prospect and a pick gets Jagr in the Burgh again, he is the BEST option for this team from every aspect of the game. Mostly on the PP
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 30 @ 9:42 AM ET
They won't be parting with their first in this years draft. I must admit though, it's not out of the question that Sutter leaves for a rental......because that's how bad he's playing.
- madmike71


I would be happy to see Sutter, BB, Martin, Scuds all leave for whatever pieces that can make this team tougher to play against. BB should have stuck with roller hockey.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 30 @ 9:42 AM ET
I have already made my case for trades, but I think this one would be top notch. The problem is finding the room. I'm not sure Sutter would fetch Jagr + but I would offer that.

I still think you have to get Winnik.

- usethe1-2-2


I think you have the "+" on the wrong side of the equation.
usethe1-2-2
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 03.02.2014

Jan 30 @ 9:43 AM ET
High end D prospect and a pick gets Jagr in the Burgh again, he is the BEST option for this team from every aspect of the game. Mostly on the PP
- nbartley9


Tanger at point, Geno in the semi point, Jagr got half wall, Crosby and Hornqvist got low. Second unit comes out and its got Bennett, Perron, Kunitz, Downie, and Martin.

That is a great power play
RandomHockeyGuy
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: FL
Joined: 12.03.2014

Jan 30 @ 9:43 AM ET
The problem here, as pointed out by Mike Colligan in his article, is that the Penguins don't have the cap space to get him without giving someone up. That would most likely have to be Kunitz, whose name is also swirling around in trade rumors.

If I had my choice of sending Kunitz to NJ for Jagr, or Kunitz to Carolina for Jiri Tlusty, I'd take the latter. Both are UFAs, but I think the Penguins would have a better chance of signing Tlusty over Jagr.

Oh, and there's also the little fact that Jagr has 1 goal in his past 33 playoff games. 17 assists to go along with that goal, but you don't acquire Jagr to be a setup man. He hasn't been a big playoff factor since returning from the KHL.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 30 @ 9:43 AM ET
High end D prospect and a pick gets Jagr in the Burgh again, he is the BEST option for this team from every aspect of the game. Mostly on the PP
- nbartley9


Which D prospect and what pick are you envisioning?

And where do you get the cap space?
usethe1-2-2
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 03.02.2014

Jan 30 @ 9:43 AM ET
I think you have the "+" on the wrong side of the equation.
- jmatchett383

Then stop thinking
gdsmack267
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 07.02.2009

Jan 30 @ 9:44 AM ET
Pens probably have to move Kunitz in a separate deal to make space for Jagr

Perron-Crosby-Hornqvist
Comeau-Malkin-Jagr
Bennett-Sutter-Downie
Spaling-Lapierre-Adams/Arcobello
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 30 @ 9:45 AM ET
Then stop thinking
- usethe1-2-2


NJ is not a playoff team. They'll want the best package of picks and prospects they can get if they're going to move Jagr, and some teams will likely give them a package better than Brandon Sutter, who fits neither of those categories.
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:45 AM ET
How amazing would it be if Sutter came out in a Devils jersey tonight and Jags had on the black and gold, and no one reported it until it was already evident on the ice.


(if you cant tell im a wrestling fan) It would be the best angle ever!!!


F Sutter
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:46 AM ET
Which D prospect and what pick are you envisioning?

And where do you get the cap space?

- jmatchett383

First off Sutter would be murdered, pow instant cap space.


Pouliot or Dumo and a 2nd
skridscousin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: THE BURGH, PA
Joined: 10.19.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:46 AM ET
Charts and analytics aside, I think Jags would be a great fit for the Pens for the stretch run to the playoffs. He's still an amazing player for his age, and could maybe even bring the BGCE (Billy Guerin Calming Effect) to our superstar, as he still seems to get so rattled in the playoffs.

Purely speculative... and emotional bias... on my part, but even with all the teams he's hopped around to over the past few years, he's still a Penguin at heart.
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